Who wins? have his full buy in? ''Hmm. Obi-Wan had the most experience with Anakin, since he had trained him exclusively. But again was it worth the risk, from the Sidious perspective? Personally I’d say Ben, I’d love to hear your opinions. u gonna dismiss the most prominent form of canon in this case (yoda's own words, and the … Not sure about Yoda vs. Anakin though. First off, Vjun amped Dooku couldn't beat Vjun amped Yoda. Homebrew Reference Book: Clone Wars Saga Edition Fan Sourcebook - The Dark Side Affiliations: The Confederacy of Independent Systems, The Sith, Darth Sidious The charismatic Count Dooku was once a Jedi Knight in service of the Republic. Yes. Star Wars is an American epic space opera franchise, created by George Lucas and centered around a film series that began with the eponymous 1977 movie. Though appearing to be a well-intentioned senator and supporter of democracy before becoming emperor, Palpatine is actually Darth Sidious, the dark lord of the Sith—a cult of practitioners of the dark side of the Force—and master of Darth Maul and Count Dooku. Press J to jump to the feed. However he takes many actions that seem illogical. 6/10 sounds good. But one door closes another opens. How Wookieepedia treats Canon and Legends. "Count Dooku's fall has troubled us all," Obi-Wan acknowledged. Dooku can't match Sidious at this stage, but Sidious isn't coming close to stomping Dooku either. But really the sequence wasn't about what made sense, it was about making Anakin a nonredeemable character who would redeem himself in 3 movies. When it comes to Star Wars, most of the Sith Lords from the prequel trilogy retain the title of "Darth," from Sidious, to Maul, to Vader.. Not to mention Anakin trusted and liked Palpatine so much, that he would have had a hard time believing he was a Sith Lord. Dooku even remarks at one point about how brilliant the plan was. Dooku’s desire to be a Count was his undoing. Dooku was a Jedi scientist who had grand knowledge of the Force. In the RotS novel it mentions how he was so stunned Anakin beat him, then on top of all of that his master betrayed him. Even in the Clone Wars show Dooku always had the advantage even in two on one situations vs Anakin and Obi where as Obi and Maul looked even. He had never met such power in battle before. Character overview. As for him not exposing Sidious in that moment, I have a few theories. As for Anakin vs Yoda...lets just say there would no longer be a Darth Vader. Knowing one of two things would happen. Obi-Wan > Anakin > Dooku… Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. The audience never sees the Count openly conspiring with Palpatine (only Sidious) and their conversations never make any overt references that would confirm Dooku was fully clued-in as to his master's grand deception. Dooku was able to keep himself from being overwhelmed by Yoda on Geonosis due to his raw technical skill as he certainly isn't an equal to Yoda in force power. I don’t take Sidious as a character that would trust anyone. Count Dooku left behind a prosperous career as a seasoned Jedi to pursue his own political beliefs and values. At some point, during his youth, he met Darth Plagueis, a Dark Lord of the Sith, who took him as an apprentice with the name of Darth Sidious. He had the best chance of beating Sidious. As far as Anakin knew, Dooku was the Sith Lord who orchestrated the Clone Wars. Yoda would have crushed Anakin easily with his Ataru and Force abilities. It's a general statement of fact. Maybe even 7/10—'cause Maul won't quit until he's completely out.'' "Now we have a great and powerful enemy." But honestly, there's no telling and considering what I've seen out of Sidious, Count Dooku could … Therefore, Darth Sidious was able to use Count Dooku as a pawn. The loss of Count Dooku to Anakin is aptly explained by looking at the Jedi Lightsaber Forms that the two used. Once the Jedi Knight and former apprentice of Jedi Master Yoda and Master of Qui-Gon Jinn, Dooku fell to the Dark Side, becoming the second apprentice of Darth Sidious and head of State of the Convederacy of Independant Systems after Qui-Gon's death at the hands of Maul.. Though appearing to be a well-intentioned senator and supporter of democracy before becoming emperor, Palpatine is actually Darth Sidious, the dark lord of the Sith—a cult of practitioners of the dark side of the Force—and master of Darth Maul and Count Dooku. Tell me your opinions! His mastery of Form II (Makashi) was legendary. Did Count Dooku KNOW about Palpatine being Darth Sidious?. ... Obi Wan couldn't even beat Dooku let alone Sidious ... As for Anakin vs Yoda...lets just say there would no longer be a Darth Vader. Count Dooku is a major antagonist in the Star Wars franchise. I can't figure out his motivations for doing that, unless sidious ordered him too for the purpose of testing his skills against anakin. "He is a fencer. And Yoda never faced a power like Sidious's before, he wasn't expecting that. C) Remember, Dooku hated the Jedi as much as Sidious, so Dooku, even in death, probably wouldn't want that plan exposed. So what do you guys think? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. A) He was so shocked at the turn of events that he couldn't even speak. He did beat Obi Wan and Anakin on Geonosis,, kept all limbs intact against Yoda, nearly killed Obi Wan (as a master) and if you believe he was holding back could possibly have killed Anakin at Coruscant. Except then you're tipping your hand and losing the element of surprise. Reference Book: Star Wars Saga Edition Clone Wars Campaign Guide Affiliations: The Confederacy of Independent Systems, The Sith, Darth Sidious Count Dooku is the enigmatic and compelling leader of the Separatists, a former Jedi Master who broke with the Jedi Order. Secondly without augmentation I simply find Dooku to be more skilled then Sidious which allows him to take the win. Dooku, a former Jedi and master lightsaber duelist, had betrayed the Republic, leading the Confederacy of Independent Systems into civil war. His yoda performance was also impressive especially on vjun, with minimal amp he was Driven into retreat “slowly,slowly” in saber duel while yoda was too amped. And much like how Darth Sidious hid his Sith traits while serving as the face of the Republic, Dooku had to maintain appearances as the legitimate face of the Separatists. C) Remember, Dooku hated the Jedi as much as Sidious, so Dooku, even in death, probably wouldn't want that plan exposed. He is the main antagonist of Attack of the Clones and a minorantagonist in Revenge of the Sith. Dooku was clearly stronger, I know A>B, B>C, doesnt always equal to A>C but a young Obi-Wan managed to beat Maul and he got creamed by Dooku twice when he had far more experiance. Palpatine was a father figure to Anakin. Leverage, position, advantage—they are as natural to him as breathing." I think part of this comes down to - when did Sidious discover Anakin would be a viable apprentice? I'm not saying that Anakin or Vader are slouches. He is the main antagonist of Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones, the 2003 Clone Wars Miniseries, the Star Wars: The Clone Wars film/TV series, and a minor antagonist in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. Dooku did know Palpatine was Sidious. And why if so, why didn't he rat him out when he was about to die? The full plan also included replacing Dooku with Vader and obviously Dooku wasn’t privy to that. He still wanted the Jedi destroyed, so he kept it to himself to ensure that. Sure, Anakin had more midichlorians, but his Chosen One status made him arrogant, and left his Force abilities unrefined. Anakin is revealed and his best chance at Jedi tutelage is killed bu Maul. I feel like Obi-Wan Was at least as good as him. Wookieepedia is a FANDOM Movies Community. He is a Sith Lord as well as the Count of Serrenno, his home planet. He was also a former Jedi Master, and it was only after his disagreement with the council’s arrogance, and the obvious corruption of the Senate, that he left, choosing to reclaim his aristocratic title as Count of Serenno. If Yoda had used as much of the Force as we were led to believe he had control over he should have beaten Sidious. B) Let's face it, Anakin would probably not have believed Dooku anyway. What benefit would Sidious have in revealing the full plan to Dooku, i.e. Original Poster 5 years ago. Where was it said that Anakin became a Padawan immediately? Sidious laid the smack down on the Jedi so easily I don't think Obi-Wan would have beaten him. If it dramatic effect wasn't a thing it would of been 1,000 smarter for them to go for Sidious together first, then hunt down Anakin. Yes, but they weren't fighting defensively and I feel like Obi-Wan is less about the direct fight and more resourceful. Starv btw, you gotta typo in your bio (Im unable to PM , Im on the app. The loss of Count Dooku to Anakin is aptly explained by looking at the Jedi Lightsaber Forms that the two used. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. - Jeremy Barlow And even Savage disarmed Dooku, and only lost because Dooku was more powerful in the force. Anakin jumped straight to Padawan, remember? Even as a child, after being discovered, Palpatine says to Anakin “we’ll be keeping an eye on you”. Leverage, position, advantage—they are as natural to him as breathing." Count Dooku was one of the premier duelists in the order before becoming a Sith. As a Jedi Knight, he gained a reputation for unabashedly expressing his own views on knighthood and the Force, which often differed with his fellow Jedis' views. Dooku even remarks at one point about how brilliant the plan was. What would have been an even better plan would be to have both of them take Sidious. I think Yoda figured that would help him. Count Dooku of Serenno, also known by his Sith title Darth Tyranus, is a fictional character in the Star Wars franchise created by George Lucas.He first appeared in Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones (2002), portrayed by Christopher Lee, who reprised his role in Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith (2005). After a lot of good points being made he concludes that he did actually know , it's actually very interesting and you guys should check it out. so he said it HIMSELF. Count Dooku is a main villian in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. This is my first post btw :) Im a traveller from a far far away wikia. So count Dooku staged a murder attempt on the very senator who blocked the Military Creation Act. Old Ben who rivalled Darth Vader vs Count Dooku. People say Mother Talzin is similar to Darth Sidious as she too has a scheme she is trying to put into effect (helping both Savage and Ventress when they … I don’t think it’s conclusive either way but I’m a noob FWIW. He killed his own master in his sleep...so why impart such critical knowledge to his “throw away” apprentice? In fact, it's debatable that Sidious might be more powerful than Yoda in the Force. My problem with Stupendous wave is that he doesn't give credit or cites sources and he attempts to pass off speculations and factual. In another time, perhaps, Dooku would have been an amazing Sith master in his own right. Maybe he imparted this knowledge to Dooku to. First off, Vjun amped Dooku couldn't beat Vjun amped Yoda. Secondly without augmentation I simply find Dooku to be more skilled then Sidious which allows him to take the win. Tyranus thought himself to be better than others because of his bloodline and birthright. It's referring to both the present and future tense, as well as a conditional clause, implying other factors that could allow a character to beat Sidious. A former Padawan to Yoda, himself. He still wanted the Jedi destroyed, so he kept it to himself to ensure that. In the fictional universe of the Star Wars franchise, Palpatine is a master manipulator and "phantom menace". Count Dooku. I contemplate. I have this feeling that Obi-Wan could've taken Sidious. Report Save. Yoda would've won, Obi-Wan would have went the way of Tinn, Kolar and Fisto. She handled Count Dooku with ease, and would have killed him if not for General Grievous interrupting. For good reason, in classified data circles, critical data is compartmentalized and only need to know read access is granted. Can dooku slice into Ben’s guard or will he fall short like in the episode 3 novel and now Ben has a force shield that rivals Vader so can dooku figure out a way to best his old enemy. ''Dueling with the Sith Lord Darth Sidious was a very different experience to fighting Dooku. His mastery of Form II (Makashi) was legendary. He's only been truly evil for like a day. Thanks George Lucas. as for something else, yoda himself says that dooku's attack was the real deal. Actually, by Mace's own admission in a canonical text, Obi-Wan was better at Form III than Windu was at Form VII, and since Windu actually did beat Palpatine... Yoda had ~900 years of experience. Count Dooku, also known as Darth Tyranus, is a major antagonist in the Star Wars universe, and the secondary antagonist of the prequel trilogy. I'm not saying Darth Sidious isn't more powerful; I just think more people around here should give credit where credit is do. This is how I saw th obi-wan battle going. Someone he could turn easily to the Dark Side and convince to build an army against the Republic. I have this feeling that Obi-Wan could've taken Sidious. Exactly what I think. 5. share. He is an elderly Sith lord. But Dooku was a bit of a BAMF himself. Yes, he's greatly improved over the last 6 months, but I would like to see more from him. He -did- beat Mace Windu in combat one upon a time, according to the database. He knew there was a sith lord influencing the senate. After leaving the Jedi Order, Dooku found his way to the Dark Side and Darth Sidious, the future Emperor Palpatine.Convinced he could not realize his big picture ambitions with the Jedi Order, Count Dooku turned to a haven for troubled minds with large scale goals: the Sith. He had never come up against something that had completely overpowered him. Darth Sidious, born as Sheev Palpatine, was a Human male was trained in the Dark Side of the Force by Darth Plagueis, and would grow up to become Dark Lord of the Sith.Recorded by history as the most powerful Sith Lord who had ever lived, Sidious followed his master's teachings, and would soon overthrow the Old Galactic Republic and destroy the Old Jedi Order from within. Dooku was able to keep himself from being overwhelmed by Yoda on Geonosis due to his raw technical skill as he certainly isn't an equal to Yoda in force power. Was Yoda really that good? However, he was still highly respected. Why reveal the one fact to him that could totally screw up the plan? that he was playing both sides, also as Palpatine? Yes, being a master at sword fighting would have given him a chance and would have cause a little sweat on Sidious' brow but in the end he would have succumbed. He was who Sidious needed for this next move. Do you think he knew? The Ginyu Force (DBZ) vs Darth Sidious, Darth Vader, Count Dooku, Darth Maul, Asajj Ventress, Kylo Ren, and Snoke (Star Wars Canon) ... Could the CIS (Star wars cannon) beat the covenant (halo) Both sides have access to all resources and are each at their prime. Count Dooku was one of the premier duelists in the order before becoming a Sith. He still wanted the Jedi destroyed, so he kept it to himself to ensure that. While his skills with a lightsaber were amazing, his power was always lacking. He bested Count Dooku before, but Sidious's power was far beyond of Dooku's. However, there's an exception in one of the saga's more interesting antagonists with Count Dooku. There was ZERO need for them to split and try to defeat them separately like that, IMO. Actually, Obi-Wan was better with his lightsaber than Mace Windu, something Windu confirms in the Episode III novel, which was canon. I can only assume that this factoid has carried on into the new canon. Even the writer of the Son of Dathomir comic book thinks that Darth Maul would beat Count Dooku in a duel more often than not. A human male, Sheev Palpatine was born to a very influential family on the Mid Rim world of Naboo around 84 years prior to the Battle of Yavin. Dooku becomes the apprentice to Darth Sidious but never goes full-evil, even revealing to Obi-Wan that a secret Sith is manipulating the Senate in … Not sure about Yoda vs. Anakin though. There is a certain ambiguity around whether Dooku knows Sidious and Palpatine are the same person. Like his numerous attempts to capture Palpatine. (I think it says "please threat eachother with respect"). If Lucas had felt like Dooku could compete, he would have mentioned it, e.g. Count Dooku was a respected Jedi in his youth, and a student of Yoda's. So, Sidious knew early on and Dooku was just a cog in the plan, to be discarded. He very well could of just been a youngling for a couple years before he officially became a Padawan. level 2. Obi-Wan would have kept Sidious at bay with his Soresu, weakening him enough until he made several mistakes, then cutting him down. Dooku is also the main antagonist in the Star Wars: The Clone Wars media franchise. At the beginning of episode 3, Anakin and Obi Wan rescue Chancellor Palpatine from General Grievous and Anakin even kills Count Dooku during the rescue. Count Dooku (also known as Darth Tyranus) is a character in the Star Wars universe and one of the secondary antagonists of the prequel trilogy. Count Dooku, also known as Darth Tyranus or Lord Tyranus, was a Human Jedi Master and the former Padawan of Jedi Grand Master Yoda as well as the official head of the Separatist forces. I'm not saying Darth Sidious isn't more powerful; I just think more people around here should give credit where credit is do. C) Remember, Dooku hated the Jedi as much as Sidious, so Dooku, even in death, probably wouldn't want that plan exposed. Dooku is stronger than Windu according to databooks and Yoda himself. Yoda would have sliced and diced spring-chicken-Sith Anakin, and Obi-Wan would have been Palpatine's meat snack. I recently watched a video by The Stupendous Wave (pretty good Star Wars YouTuber) and he was talking about wether or not Dooku knew about Palpatine being Sidious. Dooku even remarks at one point about how brilliant the plan was. ''True or False? His thoughts turned to his battle with Dooku. "He is a fencer. He does focus a lot on the movies rather than the comics and I'm not sure if the stuff he talks about is actually canon (Ive only watched the movies). He didn’t intend for Maul to be killed by OWK, he even told him to tread carefully. 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